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Thursday, 27 November 2008

We need more westerner civilian casualties!

I am just making a very obvious and not too sensational observation in connection to the bomb attacks etc. in India yesterday. The exposure this happening is getting in media and on blogs at the moment is clearly not related to the number of dead and injured, but instead related to the potential number of westerners among the victims. It is of course not surprising that each country’s media is trying to figure out how many of their own countrymen/-women are among the casualties. However, I cannot help thinking if we should not send down busloads of westerner civilians to for example Congo (DRC) and Sudan, regions that desperately need attention from the rest of the world.

Westerner civilian casualties in forgotten and overlooked conflicts is of course not the most conventional solution, but sadly probably the most effective and needed one.

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Anonymous said...

Hear hear! You have a very good point. And it just shows how fucked up the world is today.

If this were to happen in let`s say Uzbekistan and no western people were involved, we wouldnt even know about it.

Send more westerns!

Anonymous said...

I agree, tourism seems to have a great potential in changing the world! It also calms down governments reactions to people's protests. So, yes, you're right, we should support tourism in Kongo and Afghanistan! No country can prevent globalisation and we must start to use its benefits.

Pelle said...

Why should westerners suffer for problems other peoples have created?

Anonymous said...

Well, off you go to Somalia then Geoffrey. Make sure to get yourself blown up, or get pirated up your ass so that western media can direct their attention to something else. Idiot.

Anonymous said...

Because then people opens their eyes...

The ignorance of the common western inhabitant is pityful.

Jon said...

You have a really sick mind. Offcourse the western media is writing about western victims, because the attack was pointed against western civilians.

Anonymous said...

Doens`t we all create the problem of not doing anything?

And Jon, please understand that Geoffrey is just making a point.


Anonymous said...

Well Dumbass,
the problem with the article is that even if he is making a point the article is one more step towards lossing respect for life.

Of course media is focusing on the people that people can relate to, otherwise people would have problems to relate at all...

So even if he is frustrated that people do not focus on something he thinks is important. He suggest that we should send others... I think that the suggestion to go there him self is quite appropriate. And then of course also get kidnapped (media attention) and then tortured (people would feel with him) and then killed (he will be remembered) , and then he would have media attention for a few days... Congratulation.

Pray for the people, and their families, that just died in this terrible situation in Mumbai.


Anonymous said...

So people can`t relate to other human beings? They have to be fellow countrymen before we can relate?
If you open your eyes and see all the rubbish news that fills our daily life, even though major humanitarian disasters are happening on a daily basis.

Then maybe you can understand the message he`s trying to point out.

Johnny said...

Disgusting post, I wish you all mishaps possible in life, fakker.

Olbap said...

Islam slår till igen, och igen envisas den doktrinära vänstern med att hitta förklaringar överallt utom just: islam. Islam är en våldsideologi, Koranen + Hadith = Slakt av icke-muslimer. Den som ifrågasätter det frågar jag detta: Var är muslimernas fördömanden? Varför är det så OTROLIGT många områden i världen där muslimer dödar, dödar och dödar? Är de verkligen de "under-dogs" som Vänstern försöker få det till? Som sagt, alla som ifrågasätter mina ord, läs Islams bortglömda 50% nämligen Hadith. En orgie av hat och uppmaningar till slakt av judar, kristna och samtligga "kuffar" (avgudadyrkare). En påminnelse: Muslimer HATAR också ateister, feminister, homosexuella och socialister, liberaler, tänk på det...

Pelle said...

Anonymous 10.19: "Because then people opens their eyes... The ignorance of the common western inhabitant is pityful."

Why is the western attention so important? Do you think africans or muslims care more about what's going on outside their worlds? Do we need more african and muslim casualties too?

One might wonder what the western world is supposed to do about a muslim attack in a non-western country.

Jan said...

Islam is NOT the religion of peace, it is "The Religion of Violence".

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

Nation % Muslim
United States 1.0%
Australia 1.5%
Italy 1.5%
Norway 1.8%
Canada 1.9%
China 2.0%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Nation % Muslim
Denmark 2.0%
United Kingdom 2.7%
Germany 3.7%
Spain 4.0%
Thailand 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

Nation % Muslim
Switzerland 4.3%
Philippines 5.0%
Sweden 5.0%
The Netherlands 5.5%
Trinida and Tabago 5.8%
France 8.0%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

Nation % Muslim
Guyana 10.0%
India 13.4%
Israel 16.0%
Kenya 10.0%
Russia 15.0%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Nation % Muslim
Ethiopia 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Nation % Muslim
Bosnia 40.0%
Chad 50.1%
Lebanon 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Nation % Muslim
Albania 70.0%
Malaysia 60.4%
Qatar 77.5%
Sudan 70.0%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Nation % Muslim
Bangladesh 83.0%
Egypt 90.0%
Gaza 98.7%
Indonesia 86.1%
Iran 98.0%
Iraq 97.0%
Jordan 92.0%
Morocco 98.7%
Pakistan 97.0%
Syria 90.0%
Tajikistan 90.0%
Turkey 99.8%
United Arab Emirates 96.0%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' — the Islamic House of Peace — there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Nation % Muslim
Yemen 99.9%
Afghanistan 100.0%
Saudi Arabia 100.0%
Somalia 100.0%

Anonymous said...

"Secularism may be accepted in a Christian society but it can never enjoy a general acceptance in an Islamic society. The New Testament itself divides life into two parts: one for God, or religion, the other for Caesar, or the state: "Render unto Caesar things which belong to Caesar, and render unto God things which belong to God" (Matthew 22:21). As such, a Christian could accept secularism without any qualms of conscience." och "For Muslim societies, the acceptance of secularism means something totally different. Since Islam is a comprehensive system of `Ibadah (worship) and Shari`ah (legislation), the acceptance of secularism means abandonment of Shari`ah, a denial of the Divine guidance and a rejection of Allah´sinjunctions." ( )

Geoffrey Goines said...


Well some would claim that it is the Western countries that once sparked the conflicts that can been seen in Africa today.


Yes... And therefore I hope for some westerner civilian casualties in Africa, so media can write something about those conflicts aswell.


Do you pray for all the victims and their families during the latest outburst of violence in Congo?


Ingen av dom muslimer som jag känner hatar ateiester, homosexuella, liberaler etc. Hur förklarar du det?

Anonymous said...

Good point. The hyppocrites in the West have surrendered to islamic fundamentalism in most European countries and the entire continent of Europe with exception of Russia&Ukraine will turn into a shariah nightmare within 10-20 years.

Their mediawhores are only "concerned" if some of their tourists get hurt in Indai, but wait and see -> I bet you the European whimps will "condemn" Indian authorities for being to rough on the poor terrorists instead of "reaching out".

India has been invaded, raped and tortured by muslims for 1000 years and still standing strong. Europe has just started to see the problems, but is doing nothing to combat this plague. they truly deserve their own doom and I am not shedding a tear over these cowards' demise.

Anonymous said...

Another thing: I encourage all muslims to move to Europe as soon as they can. Not only will they get welfare beyond their dreams there as long as they live, but they also have millions of dumb, cowardly acting people there that would rather pee in their pants than protecting their own people. Not only that, they embrace politicians that are willing to sell their own people to the devil if it might give them some more money and UN jobs.

I don't hope for any major terror attacks anywhere, but if it happens in Europe I will not have any sympathy for them.

Pelle said...

Geoffrey Goines: "Well some would claim that it is the Western countries that once sparked the conflicts that can been seen in Africa today."

How could the western countries have done that? Are africans not supposed to have a free will? Or is that too a western privilege?

Geoffrey Goines said...


Compare it with the conflicts in Former Yugoslavia, Georgia, Northern Ireland and Spain/Basque

Pelle said...

Geoffrey Goines: "Compare it with the conflicts in Former Yugoslavia, Georgia, Northern Ireland and Spain/Basque"

I cant see what these conflicts have in common with each other, with the muslim terror attack in india or the wars in africa. Can you?

Geoffrey Goines said...


The conflicts in Europe have their roots in different ethnic groups clumped together into one country. When (sub-)nationalism is allowed to grow the conflict becomes difficult to handle. The same goes for many African countries, which were designed at the drawing table, with no regards taken to the people living in the areas.

Ahimsa said...

But why do Westerners need to know and react to atrocities commited by Asians to Asians? Are we the superior race that need to react in order to resolve "local" problems.

It seems to me that in spite of your intentions you think like a Western imperialist. What you write is exactly what a 19th century British imperialist would have written.

Marcus said...

I have been seeding this one for about 2 weeks now and ppl are still both re-seeding and leeching it very actively.
Well worth to download and check up on in case you're interested in what islam is REALLY about. Previous poster, Jan, already mentioned the percentages etc, which is very close to the essence of islam.

Download it and make your own oppinion, don't base it on rumours and propaganda.

Pelle said...

Geoffrey Goines: True, but the same goes for stable countries in europe. Italy has a big german minority, finland swedes, romania hungarians, switzerland consists of three different ethnic groups, belgium of two and most east european countries have russian minorities.

The borders of these countries have also been made at the drawing table after wars, with no regards taken to the people living in the areas. But for some reason we expect europeans and other westerners to solve their problems in other ways than with violence.

Wars in africa was not uncommon in the past either. In fact, if we can learn anything of the history, it is that the calmest period of time in africa was during the european imperialism. You could even call it the african golden age, if you take into consideration the stability, legal system, investments, lack of corruption etc.

Joakim said...

So the west have to save the rest of the world???
First they curse west then they beg for help.
The bigest problem in the world to day is religion. It is the root of all evil.

lala said...

I understand that it's quite difficult to make people care about issues that doesn't concern or involve them, it doesn't matter where one are from.

However, as we all know about the term globalization, which suggest very strongly that the weed from your neighbour's garden will eventually gets through your white fences and take a hold at your backyard. It's just a matter of time.
So one need to make an decision on which side of the fence you want pluck it. Careful, if you decide to do it at your neigbour's it may seems that you actually care.

Anonymous said...

Dra åt helvete, din jävla skithög !!!!!!!!!!!!

Geoffrey Goines said...


Well, u do have a valid point there, but one still can not claim that the West had NOTHING to do with the conflicts in Africa.
During the colonization of Africa many power structures there were changed to benefit the colonizers. The negative effect of this can be seen in the genocide in Rwanda for example (although this was of course not the sole explanation).


Good point. And also important to note that if you go over to your neighbour to pick the weed you might be accused of sticking your nose into "none of your business"


Jag tolkar ditt kraftuttryck som ett tecken på vilsenhet när jag har förmedlat sanningen...

Anonymous said...

No - we need more muslim causalties. It's obvious we are in a war between islam and rest of world. As for the jailed islamists whose realese has been demanded by the terrorists - why not just start executing them in jail.Solves that part of the problem. Hanging should be OK

Anonymous said...

feel free to go to congo, you swedish are fucking nazi shit anyway

Pelle said...

Geoffrey Goines: Power structures were obviously changed since previous rulers lost their power. It doesn't mean that these rulers were less ruthless and corrupted than the europeans.

Stronger tribes dominated the weaker. Wars were common and the winners were not interested in building societies. Instead they enslaved the members of the conquered tribes and sold them to other african tribes, europeans and arabs.

Compare that with the european colonizers that built harbors, roads, railroads, mines, schools, hospitals and courts that are still in use today.

When african tribes are waging wars against each other they are not imitating or reacting to the european imperialism - they are going back to their pre-colonial heritage. The belief that the west is the cause and solution to all conflicts in the developing world is also a form of eurocentrism.

Geoffrey Goines said...


Fair enough. But we still are stuck with the fact that the conflicts in Africa today may very well be sprung out of colonial intervention, and the fact that the so called common wealth usually react more effective if there is some westerner blood spilled in a conflict.

Pelle said...

Geoffrey Goines: I agree on that the western reaction to conflicts in non-western countries is stronger when westerners are affected. That can be compared with the non-western reaction to the same conflicts. Do you expect china, iran or african countries to do anything against this terror attack in india?

My point is that the european cause of african wars is not a fact but a theory. We might as well state that africans are fighting each other _despite_ the european intervention. Or why not, because the european colonialism came to an end.

The african tribes have been waging wars both before and after the european colonialism. Why should their post-colonial wars have been caused by colonial intervention when their pre-colonial wars were not?

Anonymous said...

anonymous said:
I don't hope for any major terror attacks anywhere, but if it happens in Europe I will not have any sympathy for them.

this is why im so glad im not a corrupt american pig who get so much symphaty from 9/11 while they just care about themself, f@ck america if its another terrorist attack in america (wich i hope cos u deserve it) i will laugh and say u had it coming, i hope its much worse then 9/11 u deserve it u imperialist pigs u dont even appreciate ur european allies... fat americans u deserve nothing ur all a bunch of leechers get a real life and start doiung something for the "world" and not just america.. the world is more then just usa u know... pigs

Anonymous said...

I completely agree with the statement previously that said why should the west care about every problem around today. We should feel empathy and sorrow, but to mix ourselves into every unjust situation around, thinking we should and can fix it, only complicates the things greatly and is really just another form of a superiority complex. I by no means like most of what China does, but one thing I do like is that they refuse to get too involved in conflicts outside their immediate self interests.

Anonymous said...

Kommer det noen fordømmende utsagn om at det var "galt" å angripe hotellene i Mumbai
fra De muslimske Råd i Svergie eller Norge? Neppe.

Muslimsk råd i Sverige sa ved en anledning: Vi tar avstand fra ulovlige aksjoner mot karikaturtegner Vilks. Hva er intensjonene bak om av hva de uttaler seg?
Det er nok ikke sammenfall av intensjonene og oppnådd resultat av utsagnet - det vil si målet med uttalelsen. Deres intensjoner er: IKKE å - under noen omstendigheter støtte de nåværende vestlige VERDIER, slik som for eksempel Vilks gjør det i form av å skjende religionens profet - det er helt uakseptabelt for NOEN muslim å godta en blasfemisk holdning til Profeten eller det vestlige levesett for øvrig - der blant annet de fleste skandinaviske kvinner - utøver en usømmelig atferd -

Målet for muslimene er ikke å bli vestliggjorte for;

Atle said...

@ Geoffrey Goines:

You might possibly have the heart in the right place, but calling for more western murders amids a large scale terrorist operation is as distasteful as it is misguided. Ironically, it could easily be perceived as a lack of respect for human life.

Seems to me you suffer from a guilt complex shared by people in the west. Without going indepth; this feeling of guilt is partly caused by the western inclination toward self critisism. Having travelled, worked and lived in many parts of the world; I can tell you with little doubt this inclination is pretty unique to the western culture you obviously feel distain for.

Sadly, you come across as nothing but an armchair radical. I suggest you live what you preach before calling for the slaughter of defenseless innocents. Shame on you.

Anonymous said...

Geoffrey, you have a valid point. I had this very conversation yesterday with my British friend. She liked to believe that the media would report such attacks even if no westerners were involved. She did however not know anything about the attacks made in India the last couple of years where the same amount of people, though Indians, died. Quod erat demonstrandum?

Geoffrey Goines said...


We cant rule out European influence in the conflicts of Africa today, that is all I am saying.
Many of the conflicts there, before colonialism, where of a different kind to those today. It was all in relative small scale. Today the winner takes it all, so to say. (e.g. the "tribe" that wins the war in Congo, will rule one of the biggest countries in the world).

Geoffrey Goines said...

"I completely agree with the statement previously that said why should the west care about every problem around today."

That is why I suggest to send down some European/American civilians to those most several conflicts in the world. The loose of these lives might save multiple more.


I dont know what complex I suffer from. But I just trying to be pragmatic. (see above)

"I had this very conversation yesterday with my British friend. She liked to believe that the media would report such attacks even if no westerners were involved. She did however not know anything about the attacks made in India the last couple of years where the same amount of people, though Indians, died."

Ignorance is a bliss...

Anonymous said...

So instead of having a few extremists gunning for a nuke & pave of most of the southern hemisphere, we'll have EVERYONE wanting it.

Sweet, that's not shortsighted at all.

Anonymous said...

I think you should go first then. Try roaming the streets drunk in Sierra Leone at night for a few days, and eventually you'll get lucky and can prove your point.

Besides, the unique thing about the Mumbay attack is not the western victims. The millitary nature of the atack is unusual, and is is of news interest that westerners was directly targeted.

It seems t me like you really think ALL problems in the world is created by western colonialists. Also, the reason why we see so poor coverage of unrest in africa etc is that these areas are too unsafe for journalists. Besides, it is not news, if it happens all the time.

Anonymous said...

I am really not surprised that alot of the ppl posting here sooner or later forget the topic and start their hate against a religion.I could start talking about laptops and it would end up somebody blaming Islam for something.My point is that we maybe need to get attention away from why or what is making ppl do such act, and instead start working on how to stop it. If you think that erasing all muslims from the earth is going to bring you all peace and love, i think you are wrong. A guy thought that about the jews once, and it was not right then and its not right now. What you have to try to understand and believe is that things are getting better,because of Internet followed by awareness around the world, the average man does not want war,crimes,violence,and death to all other races or religions. We all love our children.We all bleed red. Some unfortunantly does not like the idea of peace among all races and belives. And they arent Muslim,Christian,Jews,Hindus or anything else..they worship no God,and they do not care for anybody else either. People are not born terrorists or murderers, they are made, not by any religion, but by other men/women. If you want to focus on all the negative happening in the world,and encuruage it by increasing and then spreading the hate and negative attitude, you will never see the good things, and never walk towards the solution, but run against conflict.
I am not religous person, but i dont blame everything on everybody else when i dont do anything to improve the situation myself. A gun does not discriminate, it will kill anyone in its path.
I dont have any answers to why we are the only race (read:Humans,Homo Sapiens) who are only interested in erasing ourselfes from the face of this earth, but i do know that we are the only ones that are able to stop it. That can only happen when we want to;as one race,not a blend of colours and borders.
Before you comment my english,just to say something negative, its not my mother language.

Nina said...

Thank you!
I would like say something to all the people who say that they will not have sympathy for western people if they die. I am a "westerner", I live here and I like it here. And whenever something horrible and tragic happens in the world I feel very sorry for the people that it happens to and their families. My heart bleeds for the women men and children who were brutally murdered in India. When I think about women who are molested in Congo, in Pakistan, in India, in the USA and in Norway, I sometimes cry and feel very sad. You can say all that you want, that you wouldn`t feel sad or empathetic if something horrible were to happen in "the west". I just think it`s a horrible way to think. All humans have the same worth, no matter where in the world they come from or live.

Anonymous said...

This is the most ethnosentric blog I`ve ever read.
The blogger thinks that the mass-media he has acess to is all the world`s mass-media.
He is to limited in cognizance to realize that western media reports on .... wetern subjects.
Asian media reports on... Asian subjects .. and so on. '
He thinks that the media should report on what he himself finds important....
My God!

Illwill said...

I agree, it is about time the white people woke up.

Let's fight FOR evolution instead of against for once. Wipe out the older races (as has always been done through history) and let's build a bright new future.

Survival of the fittest, not the most unfit.

Anonymous said...

I understand your point but not the solution.

So if westerners start dying in your mess, you will.....?

Exacly, nothing. You are a third world country for a reason. If you live by thousand year old books you shall be treated like that: midevil, ignorant, uneducated.